{"id":3740,"date":"2022-03-09T06:00:47","date_gmt":"2022-03-09T11:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/?p=3740&#038;preview=true&#038;preview_id=3740"},"modified":"2026-03-26T15:02:56","modified_gmt":"2026-03-26T19:02:56","slug":"sustainable-ev-global-circumnavigation-with-ben-scott-geddes-fering-technologies-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/on-the-move\/sustainable-ev-global-circumnavigation-with-ben-scott-geddes-fering-technologies-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Sustainable EV Global Circumnavigation with Ben Scott-Geddes, Fering Technologies &#8211; Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\" id=\"engineering-an-electric-drive-truck-that-drives-across-the-most-challenging-terrain-on-earth\" style=\"font-size:34px\"><strong>Carries 50% more than an H1 Hummer at \u2154 the weight with a skin from a high-end walking boot<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<div class=\"embed-megaphone\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"200\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/playlist.megaphone.fm\/?e=TLFIE8590569922\" width=\"100%\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><!-- Megaphone -->\n\n\n<div class=\"row podcast-social\">\n    <div class=\"col-12 col-sm-2\"><p>Follow us on:<\/p><\/div>\n    <div class=\"col\">\n        <a class=\"button itunes-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-future-car-a-siemens-podcast\/id1435259964\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">iTunes<\/a>\n        <a class=\"button google-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.google.com\/feed\/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBpcHBhLmlvL3B1YmxpYy9zaG93cy81YjhmMjdmMDYzNDg2ZWM1MWY4ZjI4ZTQ\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google Podcasts<\/a>\n        <a class=\"button spotify-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/3A0NqY8p2lHxcneSxLfkcV?si=q7HVVJYtTeGPdOmyAF23pQ\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Spotify<\/a>\n        <a class=\"button stitcher-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.stitcher.com\/podcast\/the-future-car-a-siemens-podcast\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stitcher<\/a>\n        <a class=\"button tunein-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/tunein.com\/podcasts\/Technology-Podcasts\/The-Future-Car-p1154372\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">TuneIn<\/a>\n        <a class=\"button rss-podcast\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/feeds.acast.com\/public\/shows\/5b8f27f063486ec51f8f28e4\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">RSS<\/a>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\"><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">  <\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image is-style-default\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"535\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Preferred-02_Siemens_Graphic_LinkedIn-1024x535.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-4104\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Preferred-02_Siemens_Graphic_LinkedIn-1024x535.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Preferred-02_Siemens_Graphic_LinkedIn-600x314.jpg 600w, https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Preferred-02_Siemens_Graphic_LinkedIn-768x401.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Preferred-02_Siemens_Graphic_LinkedIn-900x470.jpg 900w, https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Preferred-02_Siemens_Graphic_LinkedIn.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The Fering Pioneer, a sustainable way to drive pole to pole<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What capabilities would a vehicle that can successfully circumnavigate the globe need to possess? It would need to function in extreme heat, freezing temperatures, rugged terrain, and smooth highways. This is exactly what the Pioneer truck has been designed and is being built to accomplish. On top of all that, it will also be a hybrid truck that is eco-friendly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The primary market for this truck will be adventurers, rainforest protection agencies, antarctic explorers, and vaccine transporters, among others. The goal will be to provide them with consistent performance in some of the most remote parts of the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, the second part out of two, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/edward-bernardon-922442\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ed Bernardon<\/a> interviews <a href=\"https:\/\/uk.linkedin.com\/in\/ben-scott-geddes-371b8558\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Ben Scott-Geddes<\/a>, the founder of <a href=\"https:\/\/fering.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Fering Technologies<\/a>, a company that is developing the Pioneer hybrid truck. He\u2019ll share with us the qualities that differentiate their truck from other trucks as well the progress they\u2019ve made so far.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n<div id=\"accordion\" class=\"podcast-infonotes\">\n  <div class=\"card\">\n    <div class=\"card-header\" id=\"headingOne\">\n      <span class=\"mb-0\">\n        <button class=\"btn btn-link collapsed\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-target=\"#collapseOne\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"collapseOne\">\n          Expand Show Notes        <\/button>\n      <\/span>\n    <\/div>\n    <div id=\"collapseOne\" class=\"collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"headingOne\" data-parent=\"#accordion\">\n      <div class=\"card-body\">\n        <p><!-- wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p><strong>Some Questions I Ask:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>What made you shift from designing sports cars to building trucks? (0:48)<\/li>\n<li>How does the Pioneer truck compare to other trucks? (06:44)<\/li>\n<li>What do you estimate is the miles\/gallon for your truck? (10:17)<\/li>\n<li>Why would you use a leather-like material on the body instead of metal? (10:49)<\/li>\n<li>When can I buy a Pioneer Truck and how much will it cost me? (18:38)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>What You\u2019ll Learn in this Episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>How Ferrari develops its sports cars (02:00)<\/li>\n<li>What goes into making the Pioneer truck lightweight compared to other trucks (08:56)<\/li>\n<li>How the truck achieves fuel economy and efficiency (14:29)<\/li>\n<li>Qualities that make a lithium-titanium-oxide battery the best fit for the Pioneer truck (16:55)<\/li>\n<li>What the future holds for the Pioneer truck (21:46)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Connect with Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/uk.linkedin.com\/in\/ben-scott-geddes-371b8558\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/fering.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Fering Technologies<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"list-style-type: none\">\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Connect with Ed Bernardon:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/edward-bernardon-922442\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.plm.automation.siemens.com\/global\/en\/resource\/future-car-whitepaper\/87745\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Future Car: Driving a Lifestyle Revolution<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/new.siemens.com\/global\/en\/company\/stories\/industry\/autonomous-and-connected-vehicles.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Motorsports is speeding the way to safer urban mobility<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.plm.automation.siemens.com\/global\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Siemens Digital Industries Software<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><\/p>      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n  <\/div>\n      <div class=\"card\">\n        <div class=\"card-header\" id=\"headingTwo\">\n        <span class=\"mb-0\">\n            <button class=\"btn btn-link collapsed\" data-toggle=\"collapse\" data-target=\"#collapseTwo\" aria-expanded=\"false\" aria-controls=\"collapseTwo\">Expand Transcript<\/button>\n        <\/span>\n        <\/div>\n        <div id=\"collapseTwo\" class=\"collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"headingTwo\" data-parent=\"#accordion\">\n            <div class=\"card-body\"><p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Imagine a truck with 50% more carrying capacity than an H1 Hummer, yet \u2154 of the weight. It might not sound too extreme in today\u2019s ever-evolving EV world, but what happens when you replace the vehicle\u2019s traditional metal body with a more weight-efficient body that has a breathable skin, like you find on a high-end walking boot? Imagine, then, same truck getting 50-100 miles per gallon, with a drastically reduced carbon footprint for any truck in this class, and also keeping you comfortable while driving across the most challenging terrain in the world.<\/p>\n<p>Welcome to the Future Car Podcast. I\u2019m your host Ed Bernardon and my conversation with Ben Scott-Geddes continues as we discuss his journey from designing ultra-fast sports cars to electric trucks. We\u2019ll also explore more of what sets the Pioneer apart from a traditional truck or SUV\u2014including fabric technology that allows the owner to do a body makeover overnight.<\/p>\n<p>Tune in and hear part two of my conversation with the founder of Fering Technologies, Ben Scott-Geddes, on today\u2019s episode.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>So, exciting career: designing sports cars that are almost too scary to drive. So, what makes you, I don\u2019t know if you\u2019d say shift gears, but now you\u2019re making a truck. What a-ha moment did you have that made you want to do that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if it was an a-ha moment, but it arrived over a period of years when I was at Ferrari doing the LaFerrari, the F-150, which was an incredible engineering achievement in the best sports car company in the world. Period. I mean, you can\u2019t compete with them. They\u2019re the best people and the most wonderful products.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Now, why do you say that? What aspect of them makes them that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Every aspect, really. From sports cars, they\u2019ve been doing it the longest, I think, maybe not technically longest but pretty much the longest. They have a fantastic brand following. And they have this wonderful delivery method, I guess, is a good way of explaining it. So, our naivety at McLaren, when we were developing the MP4-12C, as a concept, we were fixated as pure racing car guys on lap time: is it quickest, lightest, fastest, does it get from A to B quickest? And so on. And the delivery process, when I arrived at Ferrari, was astounding. It was the opposite. So, they would do all of that technology and analysis even more so because the Italians love analysis, they love engineering and analysis, they engineer it to death. And then the sign-off process, they give the keys of the prototype to the test drivers \u2013 these silver-haired guys in sunglasses and they never take sunglasses off \u2013 and they drive off into the mountains, and you sit there and you hear them go off the hill, up into the hills. And they all go for coffee, and two hours later, they come back and say, \u201cNot ready.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>They don\u2019t tell you what to change, they just hand you the keys.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, exactly. Hand you the keys, it\u2019s not ready. And then two or three months later, you put them back in it, same guy goes off \u2014 if it\u2019s not lunchtime or whatever \u2014 into the mountains again for two or three hours, comes back, \u201cIt\u2019s ready. Sell it.\u201d That\u2019s it. And it was pure analog delivery of the emotion of driving the car. And it wasn\u2019t the stiffest. It wasn\u2019t the engine installation. It was completely organic. So, it was a really interesting element that I\u2019ve never seen in any other car. It was all about what it meant as a beast, and a lot of that was the engine. So, a lot of that is how the engine drives. It was just the organics of how it all got delivered as a package, I\u2019ve never seen anywhere. So, it was a fantastic experience from that point of view.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>So, you\u2019re talking about passion and emotion that you get when you\u2019re driving your Ferrari through the mountains of Italy, with a V12 screaming in front of you or behind you. And now you\u2019re making an electric drive truck. So, where\u2019s the emotion?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I guess my journey in sports cars has kind of reached the end of where else would you go. Everybody wanted to apply for GT racing, again at Ferrari, and Ferrari is now winning every Le Mans race they enter in their class. And I don\u2019t think you\u2019d go anywhere else. And then towards the end of my Ferrari time, I started thinking about this mission; what the change in drive terrain or that kind of stuff meant, what the future of cars meant, what the future of mobility meant. So, I think it was that kind of emotional moment in career that you go, \u201cActually. This mission is got to be done.\u201d This ability to go off-grid and counteract this kind of weird shift in the automotive industry, this pure EV fleet point of view where everyone\u2019s buying these products, which kind of don\u2019t really now do what they think they were going to do. People own cars in different ways now. People don\u2019t need cars, people need transport.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>I looked at some clips from Mack\u2019s Discovery Channel series and you\u2019ve got these vehicles going through minus 60 degrees snow and ice, and then you\u2019re in the desert, and then you\u2019re stuck in the mud, in the jungle, on and on. And certainly the ability to make a vehicle that can survive all those different conditions, and plus do it in a sustainable way, is passionate and emotional nonetheless. Although it\u2019s probably hard to compare that to driving a V12 Ferrari in the Alps or in Italy somewhere but it\u2019s a different kind of emotion but certainly powerful.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>There\u2019s this kind of moral point to it too. There is a morality to it; producing these products which do what they do. And I don\u2019t know if I told you stories. I was passing Gordon\u2019s factory, still down in Shalford, with the prototype Pioneer on the trailer. And I rang him up and I said, \u201cI was going to show you the car.\u201d And he said, \u201cYeah, okay.\u201d So I met up with him in the car park, and he was looking at the car and he\u2019s just commenting on it. And I said, \u201cSo, come on, Gordon, we\u2019re going green, you gotta go green.\u201d And Gordon said, \u201cOh, we\u2019ve gone green as well,\u201d and he\u2019s referring to his T-50, he said, \u201cWe\u2019re using a four-liter V12 this time.\u201d It\u2019s like, \u201cHang on a second.\u201d So, I think there is a morality point to it, I think.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, let\u2019s talk a little bit about the actual Pioneer itself, just to give our listeners an idea. How does it compare, say, to a Hummer or a comparable internal combustion engine driven or electric truck that can conduct the same type of mission that the Pioneer conducts? Length, size, weight, power, all these things. How is it different?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>In the UK here, there\u2019s a gatekeeper package that makes it drivable on UK roads, which are obviously small compared to the States and so on. So, it\u2019s got to be smaller than a transit van, which is like a panel van like a builder\u2019s van. So, it\u2019s no wider than two meters, and it\u2019s about five meters long, and it can get into car parks, there\u2019s got to be less than a height of a guy, 1.8 meters or something. It\u2019s still nominally drivable on a public road. So, it\u2019s quite small, it\u2019s quite narrow in relative terms, especially to an H1 Hummer and a lot of US trucks. And then as we\u2019re saying, with the weight-wise, if we keep all these elements and idealize all that, we\u2019re getting down to some one and a half tonnes if we can with all the choices we made. So, it\u2019s the same size as a truck, if you like, but it\u2019s a one-and-a-half-ton vehicle.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>And it can carry a lot more.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Well, what you get, we followed the only benchmark performance statistics you\u2019ve got to achieve fundamentally or kind of a military vehicle specifications. So, the thing that defines the power you need in that vehicle way is this hill climb \u2013 so, 45% or 60% hillclimb. So, that defines what power you get. And then with electric motors, you get a kind of an excess of power and torque, so you got nominally 700 newton\/meters of torque, which is a byproduct, if you like, of the size of motor you need to do the job. So, you get a very powerful, lightweight vehicle, kind of for free, but that\u2019s what you get. And we\u2019ve spoken about the sizing of the power, that\u2019s the power application to the road. And then the energy generation, we talked about that in the size of the generator and that kind of stuff.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>If you compare it to an H1 Hummer, you\u2019re two-thirds the weight, but yet, you can carry 50% more, which is amazing because the vehicle itself is such lightweight. Why haul around a heavy vehicle and a bunch of batteries? And that lightweight really makes that possible, which in turn results in much better fuel economy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I guess, the analogy would be a very heavy man and the size his legs need to be. So, we\u2019ve got the similar-sized legs because the legs of the wishbones and the suspension are kind of similarly sized, if you like. Structures, yeah, but the structure to carry the mass around that can be minimized. So, you\u2019ve got a similar capability in load carrying from a strength point of view with the ability that the different price breaks that these vehicles are going to be much more expensive than an H1 Hummer, which is a production volume vehicle. So, we\u2019re applying a \u201cless is more\u201d materials technology concept of \u201cyou need less of a higher performance material doing a job than you need of a lower performance material.\u201d So, to reduce cost, let\u2019s say let\u2019s make it out of a softer steel or whatever, but you\u2019d need more of it to do the same job. So, we\u2019re using that sort of concept. So, we\u2019re saving weight by materials application where we can as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>A Hummer is not known for its miles-per-gallon, which I think is around 10-12 or something like that, at least the H1 was the original. What do you estimate your miles-per-gallon are for the Pioneer?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>It\u2019s very difficult. So, on the highway, it\u2019s easier because you know what the demands of a highway road are, but what we don\u2019t know yet is how much regenerative braking we can use in it or regain on it. So, it\u2019s anywhere between I think 50 to 100 miles per gallon we get somewhere in that sense.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>And that helps with range as well, which is key at making that big trek where there are no gas stations or charging stations. I think one of the most unique things about the Pioneer is the fact its body panels are made from a leather-like material. Why would you use a leather-like material on the body instead of metal like almost every other car on Earth?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>The main starting point is that until I went to Italy, I\u2019ve never done anything other than the plastic car. So, we\u2019re using fabric-reinforced composite body panels. Then the second element is because we\u2019ve got a relatively low top speed of 80 miles an hour, maximum, and a cruising speed of about 60 \u2013 we are dipping under that threshold of aerodynamic drag issues and aerodynamic loading on the body. So we can afford to have a fabric body. Coming in from another point of view, if you\u2019re in extreme environments like extreme hot or extreme cold temperatures, the last thing you want to do is sit in a metal box because the metal is so conductive.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Oh, like a breathable fabric, almost like a running suit or something?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, so what you get nowadays is fantastic fabric technology. So you get breathable, waterproof, windproof, washable fabric systems and technologies that we can apply. Similar to sort of high-class, high-end walking boots. So, they\u2019re completely dry, they\u2019re breathable, a Goretex system allows moisture to wick out of the vehicle, and so on. So, car, traditional metal boxes are a pain in the ass when it comes to HVAC because you\u2019ve got to keep them dry, they\u2019re always getting condensation. So, all of that, with a breathable insulated body, reduces the load on the heating and ventilation. So, you don\u2019t need as much heating or as much cooling systems in the car to compensate for the body. So, we got to even get a benefit out of that because you don\u2019t need a bigger system.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>So, you could be as comfortable in the Pioneer as your feet would be in a high-end hiking boot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, with a fraction of carrying the weight. You don\u2019t need steel toecap bits or whatever.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>And these types of materials are also more impervious to intrusion by sharp objects, things like that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Well, they can be. So, we\u2019ve got, again, with fabrics, you\u2019ve got an ultimate choice. And it\u2019s a composite, so you can layer in different ways, it\u2019s insulative. So, we\u2019ve got aramids, Dyneemas, we got all sorts of stuff that we can deploy around the different places of the car that they\u2019re likely to get punctured or scraped. They don\u2019t dent. And you can also remove them pretty easily if you don\u2019t need to carry them in position. So, the doors, for example, can either be a sort of a gate door bar with a tarpaulin you can pull over and stretch to keep the water if it starts to rain.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>And I can change colors overnight.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>You can change colors, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Ship the new car body in a box, sounds like.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>It\u2019s not super novel. I think it\u2019s probably how they started putting roofs on cars back in the early \u201820s.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s a canvas. Instead of just canvas top, it\u2019s canvas all the way around or a special kind of canvas at least. Another interesting feature, which comes into the whole area of how reconfigurable a vehicle like this has to be because it\u2019s going to be doing different things at different times. But it\u2019s the ability of being able to convert the gas tank into a water tank so you can carry extra water. And I believe that the idea for that was actually born in the racing world.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, so back in the day, as we were saying. So, Le Mans particularly is won or lost normally, in the number of times you\u2019ve got to stop. Because you\u2019ve got to stop 20-odd times to get to the end of the race because you\u2019ve got to control the fuel tank size. Instead of allowing you to physically pump fuel under pressure, under mechanical pressure, into the tanks to do \u2014 which is what they used to do in Formula One \u2014 a super high-speed fuel change. You were restricted to having like a dump can.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Just gravity is the only thing that can push the fuel in.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>So, what you need to do is you need to design the filler neck to be as restriction-free as possible to fill up the tank as quick as you could.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Because the more time you spend fueling the car, the less time you\u2019re out on the track gaining more miles.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Exactly. And you weren\u2019t allowed to do anything else to the car; the driver to get out, you\u2019d refuel it. You couldn\u2019t touch the car whilst you were refueling it, so you can\u2019t do anything else to it whilst you\u2019re in the pit. There might have been an occasion where the electric pumps in the fuel tank might have overrun a little bit on the last lap and actually sucked vacuum into the bag tank, which for some reason some cars \u2014 ours particularly \u2014 used to fill up with gravity with a vacuum assist, which wasn\u2019t necessarily in the rules but that was what happened. And ever since then, we\u2019ve been looking at ways of getting fuel in and out of big bag tanks efficiently, and one way was to have a separate bladder inside the tank which you could inflate to excavate the tank or vice versa. Push the gas out so you make sure you get every last drop before you come into the pits, that kind of stuff. So, what that means is the tanks we got at the moment in the Pioneer have got an internal bag, which can either be filled with water, whilst the fuel tank is still holding the fuel, so you can have as much water in it as you want. Because there\u2019s a freshwater issue in the car, and rather than having to carry freshwater as well, as you fill it up, you can use the space you\u2019ve got inside the tank. And then the other issue you\u2019ve got with EVs these days, and especially off-road EVs and trucks and so on is that they tend to package, they have to keep the air or keep the water out of all the battery packs and the battery system. So, they tend to have a lot of air in them, so they tend to float a bit. So you struggle to get traction on weighting so we can fill it up with water instead.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>So, that\u2019s maybe a little bit of a downside then of making it too lightweight; you float across the rivers instead of actually staying in contact with the bottom of it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>It is, yeah. So, you do need to do something to get it to sink.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Speaking of EVs, we\u2019re talking about minus 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Everyone knows that batteries and electric cars don\u2019t like extremely cold temperatures. Did you have to do anything special with the batteries to make them survive in conditions like this?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Again, because of our volume choice and our extreme choices we\u2019ve got, and the nice thing is we\u2019re not in a mileage race with other competitors\u2019 products. So, we\u2019ve chosen a battery technology \u2014 titanium lithium oxide \u2014 which is not as popular with the OEMs making cars, making pure EVs because it\u2019s less efficient than a lithium-ion system. And then with that is, it\u2019s preferred by bus fleets and ships and ferries and that kind of stuff. So, electric vehicle ferries are a bit popular now because it has primarily no thermal runaway condition. So, it\u2019s very, very safe, it doesn\u2019t catch fire. And it also has an incredibly low storage temperature and low usage temperature. So, it goes down to minus 40, I think, minus 60 before it starts to get affected, and you can store it at minus 80 without being affected. And it has a very high discharge rate and so on, so it\u2019s perfect. It\u2019s just a bit heavier than the current favorite technology or the class-leading technology for energy density, which also means it\u2019s available. Because that\u2019s another issue these days, which has been our biggest issue of delivering an electric \u2014<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Finding the components you need.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, you\u2019ve got to do what you can physically get hold off because the world is being sucked dry of electronics components at the moment for the automotive industry and other forms of transport. So, it\u2019s a crazy time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, the vehicle, what you can do with it is so exciting. When can I buy one? And what\u2019s it going to cost me?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>We\u2019re currently under development for the production vehicle. You can have one in September, October if you really want one. And we\u2019re planning to give ones and twos to our users, that sort of user experience guys first of all. So, we\u2019re planning about 12 cars where we\u2019re building them to spec for Amazon protection, rainforest protection, vaccine delivery, Antarctic exploration, and a few other key user groups to do evaluation vehicles to tune the development of those vehicles. And primarily, we\u2019re focusing on business to business, so we\u2019re selling to businesses using these vehicles. We\u2019ve had quite a lot of interest from individuals wanting these vehicles for their own expeditions they want to go on. There\u2019s a guy who wants to tow this fantastic off-road trailer. He\u2019s going to go. I don\u2019t think he\u2019ll ever come back. He\u2019s got this fantastic trailer. So, he wants sort of an efficient tow vehicle. So, that\u2019s the sort of timescales, towards the end of this year, they\u2019ll be available around, and we\u2019re talking about small batch production in the following year because there\u2019s no tooling. So, there\u2019s no body tooling, there\u2019s no body solutions to tool up, and so on. It\u2019s a lightweight tubular frame with composite panels \u2014 the tooling development and initiation production setup is very, very minimal compared to any other production vehicle.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Rough idea on the price? Is that something you could tell us?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, so they\u2019re going to be around about 200,000 UK pounds plus taxes, I guess, which is kind of reflective these days. I mean, if you want to talk about EVs, not from a volume solution point of view when you\u2019re talking about the Rivians and Humvees and these other kind of products, but a specific task-related vehicle.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Does it come with a full-size spare?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Maybe not, because so far, we currently run the car with no air in the tires. So, we have no air in the tires because it\u2019s a truck tire and the sidewalls are so stiff that we don\u2019t need to run air in the tire, so it\u2019s effective like a run flat. And we haven\u2019t come close to wearing a tire out yet or even breaking one or tearing one because the tires are over-engineered, far over-engineered for the car so far. So, yeah, no spare so far.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>When do you think I\u2019ll be able to buy that first ticket for my \u201cpole to pole, back to pole on the other side of the Earth\u201d trip?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>You have to ask Mack.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>There\u2019s no sign-up list yet on your website for that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>No, not yet. It\u2019s going to probably be a separate undertaking as well. But that\u2019s being worked out as well really, because that\u2019s about a two-year planning, according to Mack \u2014 it takes a long time to plan those sorts of things. And mainly because of border crossings. So, it\u2019s not necessarily the vehicle, it\u2019s the people you\u2019ve got to talk to as you go past.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Not to mention, maybe having a driver\u2019s license or the right license plate or who knows what as you go through countries here. So, one last question about the Fering and the Pioneer. So, where do you go from here? Soon, you\u2019ll get hopefully a dozen of these out there into the good hands of people that are doing great things for the climate and delivering vaccines, that kind of thing. Eventually, there\u2019ll be people out there doing these tours for us. What about after that? Do you see a Pioneer 2? What\u2019s in the future?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>So, our game is we want to try and get a common bottom half backbone or structure, which can satisfy these off-grid utility challenges, and jobs that the vehicle has got to do. But one of the things we\u2019ve realized, which is quite interesting is that in producing an axle \u2014 so you have an axle on either end, both of them are steering because it\u2019s the same axle, so you\u2019ve got the same axle, front and rear. And because both of them potentially steer, you can push these axles right to the corner of your box so that you\u2019re not limited to your wheelbase from a turning circle point of view. So, you can push them right to the box. They\u2019ve got plenty of travel to give you the ground clearance on the breakover angle in the middle, so you can push it right to the corner of this five-meter box, which means that the box in between those axles then becomes all of your living space and your cargo space you have available. So, you then have a concept where you\u2019re looking at the vehicle and you\u2019re thinking, unlike a traditional transport vehicle where you\u2019re carrying loads above the rear axle because of the way you have to carry those, you can carry all the loads and all the cargo in between the axles. So, you get a different configuration and package for a vehicle. Depending on what sort of certification you\u2019ve got to comply with on visibility like that stuff. But you\u2019ve actually got another weird vehicle that you can sit in the middle of. So, it gives you these different package options for vehicles.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>So, what kind of weird vehicles do you envision?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Well, it would be, imagine a cargo vehicle that you load purely from the side; you don\u2019t have to load from the back or whatever. It\u2019s got all the cargo in the middle. And the driver is sitting in the middle of the front wheels. So, you get these different kinds of vehicles. I don\u2019t know what the usage cases for those would be, but we\u2019re always going to be effective. And it might even change the way you approach your mobility questions in the future. And we\u2019ve done similar tests; how you get in and out? How are you going to use this thing?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>In what terrain all this is going to happen on?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, where are you going to go and do it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Ben, thank you so much for opening up our eyes to what you can do with electric drive vehicles. It\u2019s been great having you on the Future Car podcast.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>It\u2019s been a pleasure, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, listen, before we let you go, as always, we want to have our rapid-fire section; a series of quick, quick questions that you can answer \u2013 quick, quick answers, however long you want. But if you want, you can pass. Are you ready to go?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, I\u2019m ready when you are.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>What\u2019s the first car you ever bought or owned?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>So, the first car I\u2019ve ever bought was a Saab \u201896 V4. And I\u2019ve had a love affair with that car ever since. So, it was a very successful rally car. You probably don\u2019t remember\u2014 You remember this, you must remember this, 1970s Saab campaigning in World Rally car champion back in the days. So, this little V4, little bubble car, very lightweight, large-diameter tires, large 15-inch wheels, great traction front-wheel drive, eventually driven by Scandinavians very successfully until they got out horse-powered. So, basically, when Ford Escorts go over 200 horsepower. The last one of my own was Stig Blomqvist 1972 rally winning or whatever. Saab \u201896 works rally car.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Did you pass your driver\u2019s test on the first try?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yep. Pretty much on my 17th birthday.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>What\u2019s the fastest you\u2019ve ever driven a car on the street? Not on a racetrack but on a highway street.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>It was probably about 180-something miles an hour.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>180 miles per hour?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, it was in the T1 on the M3 between Basingstoke and Winchester.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>That might be a record. I\u2019m gonna have to check but that might be a record for the Future Car podcast guests. What\u2019s the fastest you drove on the track you think when you were in the T1?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know. Probably about the same speed, probably 190.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>It doesn\u2019t care where it is.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>No, I wasn\u2019t looking.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>In this world of autonomous cars, we like to talk about the living room on wheels. So, imagine, fully autonomous, you can do anything you want when you\u2019re inside the car, you\u2019re taking about a five-hour trip. You want to enjoy those five hours as much as you want in your vehicle. What would you have in your living room on wheels?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Can I say Uma Thurman?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, the next question was \u201cWhat person, living or not, would you want there?\u201d So, I guess, you\u2019ve answered two questions in one. I hope your wife is not listening.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>No, I know, it is fine. No, I think I\u2019m allowed that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>You\u2019re allowed that? It\u2019s a podcast license, I guess. Greatest talent, not related to anything you do at work.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Okay, that\u2019s a difficult one, that\u2019s a really hard one because I\u2019ve been so lucky. Like you probably have, I don\u2019t feel like I\u2019ve had a day of work in my life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>I guess the first Pioneer was actually made in your garage.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>That\u2019s right, yeah. I love it. I mean, if you get paid for it, even better. I do cars design and engineering, that\u2019s not work. And I think I\u2019ve brought every talent I possibly got into that. I like drawing. I\u2019ve sold live drawings.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>If you could have an answer to any question, what would that question be?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Well, apart from what the lottery tickets are the next Saturday. That\u2019s too hard that one as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>If you could magically invent one thing, what would it be?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>So, a time machine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Uninvent one thing, what would that be?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Probably something like the plow or something. One of those inventions that just really kicked off there being too many people everywhere. \u201cThe success of the human race\u201d type invention.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>What\u2019s your favorite F1, Formula One team of all time?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I joined McLaren when Senna was still there. So, Senna and Burger. So, I was a massive Senna fan and McLaren fan at the time. And then he went off and died. But I think it\u2019s probably Ferrari having met them all and worked with them recently.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Who do you think is the greatest F1 driver of all time?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Senna. Definitely not Schumacher.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>You want to tell us why you think that? That was a strong \u201cblah\u201d you threw in there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I think it was a bit too dastardly really, dastardly and a Red Baron type driver.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Here\u2019s the last question: Tell us something about yourself that would surprise your friends and family, something they don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>I\u2019m afraid it\u2019s really boring, there isn\u2019t anything. I\u2019m sorry. I wish there was but there\u2019s nothing, no.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, you can work on that before we have you back on the Future Car podcast.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>Yeah, definitely.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ed Bernardon: <\/strong>Well, listen, Ben, thank you so much for a great conversation and, like I said, opening our eyes to what\u2019s possible in the world of trucks. Thanks for being on the Future Car podcast.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ben Scott-Geddes: <\/strong>It was a pleasure, Ed. Nice speaking to you again.<\/p><\/div>\n        <\/div><!-- end #collapseTwo -->\n    <\/div><!-- end .card -->\n    <\/div><!-- end #accordion -->\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\"><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n<div class=\"bio-block row\">\n    <div class=\"col-3 order-first bio-pic\">\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/02\/Ben-bio-pic.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Scott-Geddes - Guest, Founder Fering Technologies \" \/>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"col-9 bio-info\">\n        <div class=\"bio-header\">\n            <h4 class=\"speakerintro\">Ben Scott-Geddes &#8211; Guest, Founder Fering Technologies <\/h4>\n        <\/div>\n        <div class=\"bio-biography\">\n            <p>Ben is the founder of Fering Technologies. He has devoted his career to whole-vehicle design, predominantly in motorsports and supercar design and is the brains behind the Fering Pioneer. He previously worked for Ferrari and McLaren, and was involved in the development of the Caparo T1 project. He has a Bachelor of Science from City, University of London.<\/p>        <\/div>\n        <div class=\"bio-contact\">\n            <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/ben-scott-geddes-371b8558\/ \" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Connect wtih Ben on LinkedIn<\/a><\/p>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"bio-block row\">\n    <div class=\"col-3 order-last bio-pic\">\n        <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/01\/bio-pic-eb-2.jpg\" alt=\"Ed Bernardon, Vice President Strategic Automotive Intiatives - Host\" \/>\n    <\/div>\n    <div class=\"col-9 bio-info\">\n        <div class=\"bio-header\">\n            <h4 class=\"speakerintro\">Ed Bernardon, Vice President Strategic Automotive Intiatives &#8211; Host<\/h4>\n        <\/div>\n        <div class=\"bio-biography\">\n            <p>Ed is currently VP Strategic Automotive Initiatives at Siemens Digital Industries Software. Responsibilities include strategic planning in areas of design of autonomous\/connected vehicles, lightweight automotive structures and interiors. He is also responsible for Future Car thought leadership including hosting the Future Car Podcast and development of cross divisional projects. Previously a founding member of VISTAGY that developed light-weight structure and automotive interior design software acquired by Siemens in 2011.\u00a0 Ed holds an M.S.M.E. from MIT, B.S.M.E. from Purdue, and MBA from Butler.<\/p>        <\/div>\n        <div class=\"bio-contact\">\n            <p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/edward-bernardon-922442\/  \" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Connect with Ed Bernardon Linkedin<\/a><\/p>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>If you like this Podcast, you might also like:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/the-future-car\/sustainable-ev-global-circumnavigation-with-ben-scott-geddes-fering-technologies-part-1\/\">Sustainable EV Global Circumnavigation with Ben Scott-Geddes, Fering Technologies &#8211; Part -1<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/the-future-car\/carlo-mondavis-autonomous-electric-tractors-for-sustainable-affordable-farming-part-1\/\">Carlo Mondavi\u2019s Autonomous Electric Tractors for Sustainable, Affordable Farming &#8211; Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/the-future-car\/the-next-leap-for-electric-vehicles-with-will-graylin-indigo-technologies-part-1\/\">The Next Leap for Electric Vehicles with Will Graylin, Indigo Technologies \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Carries 50% more than an H1 Hummer at \u2154 the weight with a skin from a high-end walking boot Follow&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":45480,"featured_media":5031,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"spanish_translation":"","french_translation":"","german_translation":"","italian_translation":"","polish_translation":"","japanese_translation":"","chinese_translation":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2,420],"tags":[353,348,331,321,371,362,332,349,383,402,352,354,376,333,385,379,311,312,326,375,384,360],"industry":[26,27,28,30,31,29],"product":[158,206],"coauthors":[387],"class_list":["post-3740","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-on-the-move","category-ed-bernardon","tag-ai","tag-automotive-2","tag-autonomous-vehicles","tag-design-innovation","tag-digital-future","tag-e-e-systems","tag-electric-vehicles","tag-electrical-systems","tag-electrification","tag-engineer-innovation","tag-industry-4-0","tag-machine-learning","tag-mobility","tag-nx","tag-podcast","tag-product-design","tag-simulation","tag-smart-engineering","tag-systems-modeling","tag-transportation","tag-transportation-revolution","tag-vehicle-electrification","industry-automotive-transportation","industry-automotive-oems","industry-automotive-suppliers","industry-motorcycles-bicycles-parts","industry-rail-systems","industry-trucks-buses-specialty-vehicles","product-nx","product-ses-vistagy"],"featured_image_url":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/32\/2022\/03\/02_Siemens_Graphic_1280x720.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3740","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/45480"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3740"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3740\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6430,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3740\/revisions\/6430"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5031"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3740"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3740"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3740"},{"taxonomy":"industry","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/industry?post=3740"},{"taxonomy":"product","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/product?post=3740"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.sw.siemens.com\/podcasts\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=3740"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}